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Linus Torvalds Wishes Intel's AVX-512 A Painful Death
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Intel’s Alder Lake-S CPUs won’t support the AVX-512 instruction, which further confirms the use of ARM’s big.LITTLE design
Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), July 11, 2020 11:41 amRoom: Moderated Discussions
me (me.delete@this.me.com) on July 11, 2020 7:02 am wrote:
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...pids-AlderLake
>
> Hope you didn't get too attached to AVX-512. The GCC 11 compiler target for Alder
> Lake doesn't enable it, only AVX2. As Phoronix mentions the target likely is what
> the small cores support and not necessarily the big... but it makes me wonder...
I hope AVX512 dies a painful death, and that Intel starts fixing real problems instead of trying to create magic instructions to then create benchmarks that they can look good on.
I hope Intel gets back to basics: gets their process working again, and concentrate more on regular code that isn't HPC or some other pointless special case.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: in the heyday of x86, when Intel was laughing all the way to the bank and killing all their competition, absolutely everybody else did better than Intel on FP loads. Intel's FP performance sucked (relatively speaking), and it matter not one iota.
Because absolutely nobody cares outside of benchmarks.
The same is largely true of AVX512 now - and in the future. Yes, you can find things that care. No, those things don't sell machines in the big picture.
And AVX512 has real downsides. I'd much rather see that transistor budget used on other things that are much more relevant. Even if it's still FP math (in the GPU, rather than AVX512). Or just give me more cores (with good single-thread performance, but without the garbage like AVX512) like AMD did.
I want my power limits to be reached with regular integer code, not with some AVX512 power virus that takes away top frequency (because people ended up using it for memcpy!) and takes away cores (because those useless garbage units take up space).
Yes, yes, I'm biased. I absolutely destest FP benchmarks, and I realize other people care deeply. I just think AVX512 is exactly the wrong thing to do. It's a pet peeve of mine. It's a prime example of something Intel has done wrong, partly by just increasing the fragmentation of the market.
Stop with the special-case garbage, and make all the core common stuff that everybody cares about run as well as you humanly can. Then do a FPU that is barely good enough on the side, and people will be happy. AVX2 is much more than enough.
Yeah, I'm grumpy.
Linus
me (me.delete@this.me.com) on July 11, 2020 7:02 am wrote:
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...pids-AlderLake
>
> Hope you didn't get too attached to AVX-512. The GCC 11 compiler target for Alder
> Lake doesn't enable it, only AVX2. As Phoronix mentions the target likely is what
> the small cores support and not necessarily the big... but it makes me wonder...
I hope AVX512 dies a painful death, and that Intel starts fixing real problems instead of trying to create magic instructions to then create benchmarks that they can look good on.
I hope Intel gets back to basics: gets their process working again, and concentrate more on regular code that isn't HPC or some other pointless special case.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: in the heyday of x86, when Intel was laughing all the way to the bank and killing all their competition, absolutely everybody else did better than Intel on FP loads. Intel's FP performance sucked (relatively speaking), and it matter not one iota.
Because absolutely nobody cares outside of benchmarks.
The same is largely true of AVX512 now - and in the future. Yes, you can find things that care. No, those things don't sell machines in the big picture.
And AVX512 has real downsides. I'd much rather see that transistor budget used on other things that are much more relevant. Even if it's still FP math (in the GPU, rather than AVX512). Or just give me more cores (with good single-thread performance, but without the garbage like AVX512) like AMD did.
I want my power limits to be reached with regular integer code, not with some AVX512 power virus that takes away top frequency (because people ended up using it for memcpy!) and takes away cores (because those useless garbage units take up space).
Yes, yes, I'm biased. I absolutely destest FP benchmarks, and I realize other people care deeply. I just think AVX512 is exactly the wrong thing to do. It's a pet peeve of mine. It's a prime example of something Intel has done wrong, partly by just increasing the fragmentation of the market.
Stop with the special-case garbage, and make all the core common stuff that everybody cares about run as well as you humanly can. Then do a FPU that is barely good enough on the side, and people will be happy. AVX2 is much more than enough.
Yeah, I'm grumpy.
Linus
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ก็แค่ AVX512 Gen12 มันก็ไม่มีอีกครั้ง ไม่มีกรูก็ไม่ตาย TIM COOK เชื่อว่าอย่างนั้น
ฉลอง WWDC คืนนั้น จัด ARM Core ให้พอดี
ถ้า INHELL มันรัก Apple จริงคงไม่ขาย MODEM แพงอย่างนั้น
จะคิดมากไปทำไม ทำ ARM เองมันก็แรงเหมือนกัน
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